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Thanks Pat, The problem would be that I already have a cable plugged in so as to connect it to the Nomad PDA. I seem to be steady enough when on a tripod, for example at home I can range the front porch of farmhouse at 4.5k then move to the main house wall to the side of that and it will accurately measure the difference , I went to the house and measured it and it's spot on. I'm overseas at the moment but when I get back I'll send you image and what details I have on the cable connection as someone else might want one in the future. I'll also take a look at the FFS software on the PDA as it may well have a method of getting the range reading as it seems to do everything else under the sun

When connected to FFS I have to tiger the PLRF unit manually and the data is passed to FFS and a firing solution calculated automaticlaly and I cna then just save that target in the target list. I tend to have it hard wired as the bluetooth turns off on the range finder after a set time. I can get the data form the Kestrel from FSS at the touch of a button and that is connected via bluetooth.

Thanks for the info. Yes when tied into my Nomad PDA with field firing solutions software the software reads the data from the range finder. When viewing through it on a tripod or even hand held it's very stable.

I have a PLRF25C What exactly would the remote trigger do?

Hi Allan Tried to send you a message about the labradar trigger, but it says I can send you messages Please could you send me some info an purchase details for the Labradar trigger

100 yards is 91.44 m 100 m = 109.4 yards

HIAdrian, My current FAC states: "The .338 barrel, sound moderator and ammunition shall be used ONLY for target shooting at Brookshill Shooting Club and on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim." Its a barrel as it's off my AXMC rifle and that was purchased after the rifle was bought in .308. It is clear from this that there is no intention by the firearms department to restrict use to only my club and ranges notified by it. Regards David

Yes that is my point, I do not believe it is or ever was the intention of the wording to restrict one to used clubs ranges or ranges notified by them. I believe the wording "Whilst a member of club XYZ" is simply to reenforce the fact that one has to be a member of a club to have a firearm for solely target shooting, as is required by the act, so that if ones membership lapsed one would be breaching the condition of the FAC

Thank you for the explanation of that. I still do not feel your argument is correct, but it's been an interesting discussion David

Hi Adrian, If it was that the club had notify the HO or police of any ranges it's member used then surly that would be stated in the club rules and that one could only use ranges that they had notified and not doing so would nullify your membership. Otherwise their insurers would never insure them as they would be breaking the law in not notifying anywhere their member target shot. Low or not if one breaks the law one is likely to loose one's FAC. Where would be the best place to get this clarified, the local FEO or higher up? David

HI Adrain, I understand the logic of what you are saying about the residual issue for the club, but one would not be shooting as a member of the club, i.e. not representing them in any way, so they have no control, knowledge of what is being done and have no responsibility of it at all. I believe that the whilst a member of club XYZ is to comply with the act in that one has to be a member of a club, once that lapses you are breaching the condition of the FAC I don't see it has anything at all to do with the range itself or any connection between the range being used and the club one is a member of. If it did they surly the wording would be far more specific in that area. It would say "on club ranges or ranges they have notified" David

Hi Adrian, Your comments above are very interesting, but I cannot see how you come to that conclusion. "The firearm(s) and ammunition shall be used for target shooting, and only whilst a member of*club1, and only on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequatefinancial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim." It says only whilst a member, i.e. you have to be a member of s club, which is what the legislation states. So if you membership lapses you cannot longer meet that condition. If it stated as a member of a club then perhaps your conclusion might be correct. If the condition was indeed at ranges of the club, or notified by them, then surly it would clearly state that. The fact that is says: "and only on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequatefinancial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim." makes it IMHO clear that there is no expectancy of it being on club ranges or ones notified by them since they would all have insurance in place and be safe since that is a condition of the registration of a club under the act I believe. So if what you say os correct how can target shooters turn up and shoot at the tunnel without breaking a condition of their FAC if their club knows nothing about that range?

Target only shooting is always restricted to being a member of a HO approved club, that is what the act states, you have to be a member of a club. They are not however restricted to only the ranges for that club.

Hi Adrian, I disagree with your interpretation of that wording. The wording "Whilst a member of club XYS" is necessary since it is a condition of the act for people who solely wish to target shoot to be a member of a club: section 44 states: 44.—( 1) If a chief officer of police is satisfied, on an application for the grant or renewal of a firearm certificate in relation to any rifle or muzzle loading firearms loading pistol which is not a prohibited weapon, that the applicant's only used for target reason for having it in his possession is to use it for target shooting, any certificate which may be granted to the applicant or, as the case may be, renewed shall be held subject to the following conditions (in addition to any other conditions), namely— (a) the rifle or pistol is only to be used for target shooting; and (b) the holder must be a member of an approved rifle club or, as the case may be, muzzle-loading pistol club specified in the certificate. (2) In this section, "muzzle loading pistol" means a pistol designed to be loaded at the muzzle end of the barrel or chamber with a loose charge and a separate ball (or other missile). If the intention was to only shoot at that club, or ranges approved for it's use the FAC would state clearly. If your interpretation is correct, then most target shooters using ranges that are not at their club are breaking the law. since a lot of people go to other ranges as individuals and not as part of their club competitions and also to ranges that their club never shoots at.

So on my .308 which had "The .308 rifle, sound moderator and ammunition shall be used ONLY for target shooting on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim." You agree I could shoot it on any range I set up providing it had insurance in place and a proper backstop. I'll need to check the current wording for my .338, I've overseas at the moment If what you are saying is correct and it can only be your won club then how do people manage to travel as individuals to other ranges and use them without breaking the law?

Again you are using the term club. Yes I accept that clubs must be approved. A private individual who wishes to use a rifle for solely target shooting needs to be a member of such a club , and visit it a number of times per year. I fail to see however that there is any legislation that prevent him or her setting up a range, a target with a suitable backstop and have insurance in place in case of accidents etc, for his or her own use that is not on club property.

The issue is not about clubs, it is about a private individual being able to set up his or her own target range. Therefore police entry to HO Approved clubs does nto come into it.

Why do the police need powers of entry to land to check if someone is shooting safely at targets. The safety is down to the individual as it is with stalking. If the FOE wanted to inspect I can hardly see and FAC holder refusing him entry as that would risk his or her FAC

Thanks Adrain, It must be correct or they would not accept it. There is nothing within the legislation that states that target shooting can only be on a club range Firearms (Amendment) Act 1997 section 44 states: 44.—( 1) If a chief officer of police is satisfied, on an application for the grant or renewal of a firearm certificate in relation to any rifle or muzzlec ertain firearms loading pistol which is not a prohibited weapon, that the applicant's only used for target reason for having it in his possession is to use it for target shooting, any certificate which may be granted to the applicant or, as the case may be, renewed shall be held subject to the following conditions (in addition to any other conditions), namely— (a) the rifle or pistol is only to be used for target shooting; and (b) the holder must be a member of an approved rifle club or, as the case may be, muzzle-loading pistol club specified in the certificate. (2) In this section, "muzzle loading pistol" means a pistol designed to be loaded at the muzzle end of the barrel or chamber with a loose charge and a separate ball (or other missile). It is of course good policy to get the FEO to check the site and state that they are happy with it. David

I believe it is having spoken to the guys are Orion and WMS firearms training, both of which many people use. If i could only be on club ranges then how does Orion and WMS firearms training operate? This about sums it up https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/answers/legal-answers/legalities-target-shooting-private-land-104960

Thanks Adrian, Mine used to say "The .308 rifle, sound moderator and ammunition shall be used ONLY for target shooting on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim." I need to check what it says now after a recent renewal as the 308 id also down for stalking and only my .338 is just for target now. The whilst a member if a club bit would be difficult in court to enforce as use only on that clubs ranges as it does not state in your wording that the ranges have to be club ranges. The condition is that you can only shoot whilst a member of a club, so if your membership is current you meet that criteria and that you have insurance in place to cover injury or damage, so BASC or other insurance should cover you, no ? So if one was a member of a club and shooting on ones own range then one would still meet the wording of the FAC condition. If they meant it to be only on that clubs ranges surly it would state that clearly on the condition. How do people manage if they go to a range such as the tunnel one, https://www.thetunnel.co.uk/ One does not have to be a member of their club to shoot there or arrange it through your own club.

Where does it say in the legislation that it has to be a home office approved range for target shooting. I believe it merely states on one's FAC that it has to have adequate insurance in place.

Really nice Mark, love how the pheasants are in colour and background look black and white

I've used one belonging to a friend and just bought a FAC one, but it's still with my RFD as I had to go overseas to work a few days before he got it 😒 REALLY nice rifle, very accurate, highly tuneable for velocity and a pleasure to use

I got one of these a few months back. Not cheap but REALLY nice Effortless stroke https://turban-shop.de/produkteproducts/pressen/heavy-praezipress-120mm/