Panda

Hi Gunnery, I don't know if you'll be interested in a Savage or not but 25dynod has a .308 ftr model going in the sales section, along with a Savage 6br benchrest model. I think it's titled "items for sale updated list". He's used both at the Gelston 1000yd range and I can vouch for their accuracy and can provide the group sizes for them from my scorer records if you'd like. Regards David

Richie, I'm going to really depress you now...... my mate had 1000 x 185 juggs for sale on here a few weeks ago. He's having to give up shooting unfortunately. You may have missed them as the were included on a list but in the headline grabbing "Varget for sale".

I actually discovered I still have about 150 of the 175 TOTMs in the bottom of my store box tucked away below the juggs. I may pull them out to compare them to the Nosler 175 RDFs during my enforced home period as I can't find any data on the Noslers other than length and bc.

Hi Richie. Personally I just use a proprietary Forster drop tube, however, within the members of one of the clubs I am in we have two people with their own lathes who have made themselves 10 or 12 inch drop tubes using aluminium tubing bought from a wholesaler and manufacturing their own collet for the case neck and interface for a funnel. Panda

Hi Rich. Nicely shot. Im happy to see that the load worked for you 🙂. I had a feeling it would be close as several people have used the data quite successfully with just a little tweaking. Hopefully it'll give you the speed you're looking for once you run the load over the chrony. Out of interest, are you using a long drop tube for the powder if tapping the cases seems to settle the powder enough to stop compressed loads? If not, then I'd recommend getting a hold of, or manufacture one. Panda

I'm also running 185 juggs at 2840 fps using srp cases and RS52 out of a 32" Bartlien barrel on a Savage dual port action quite comfortably. I was almost at 2900 fps when I ran out of prepared ammo but as there was a good accuracy node at 2840 I saw no point in trying to find the even faster one since 2840 gave me everything I required.

Hi Rich, At magazine length I suspect you'll be into compressed loads with the N150 but the only way to know for sure is to give it a try. Let us know how you get on.

I'm getting 2594fps with the 185 juggs in a 26" tube with 44.5gns of N150 from a CBTO of 2.341" with an 80 thou jump. I just couldn't get them any closer whilst having enough of the shank in the case to grip securely. That set up gives a retained velocity at 1000yds of 1249fps. Hope that helps Richiew. No point trying to reinvent the wheel, with the proviso that what may be safe in my rifle may not be in yours.

Yup, I've used them out of my 26" Remy at 1000yds. I was achieving the same results (c. 0.75 - 0.8 moa) with the 175 TOTMs set at AICS magazine length with a massive jump as I was with with 185 Juggs that were optimised for single feed. The cost, and mainly availability or rather lack of, meant I stuck with the Juggs though. As an aside, I recently tested Nosler 175 RDFs set to AICS mag length at 100yds with the same sort of groups as the 175 TOTMs using N140 although the load was caning the primer pocket so they MAY have the same potential at 1000 yds but until I get a chance to try them on the range I can't confirm that potential (I ran N150 through QuickLoadbut the velocity at 1000 wasn't predicted to be fast enough to record on the ShotMarker system). I went back and pressure tested using RS52 which I think will be a better powder option but until the ranges open again next year I won't know for certain if I can find a load that works when the cartridge is built to mag length. What drew me to the RDFs was actually the price because at what I picked them up for I would have been happy to use them for plinking, McQueens or 1000 yd competitions (if I got them working!). However, and it's a massive however, the price has spiked alarmingly since I got my 1st box back in September with £69/100 quoted on 1 suppliers website recently although I did manage to get a box at £53. The RFD told me they were likely to be £59/100 the next time IF he could actually source any.

ShotMarker would disagree with those figures James8870 - if you're the same person I think you are. It's showing you with an average velocity of 1397fps at 1000yds which would suggest a muzzle velocity of around 2600fps for the 142s. Of course we don't know how accurate it is but it ties in reasonably nicely with what my app suggests for my rifle.

Excellent post Brown Dog. Thank you for taking the time to post such a detailed breakdown of such an enormous achievement.

I see they're doing the .308 mags with no binder plate as well. I think my future 6.5 Super LR project has just been made a bit easier 😊.

Hi Webby, I was wondering if you were any further forward with your testing of heavier bullets in relation to RS52 and QuickLoad. I've just completed a FTR build based on a Savage dual port action with a 32" Bartlien barrel. I'm intending using Berger 185 Juggernaut Target bullets (base to ogive @ 2.293" at 20 thou off with a coal of 2.971") in Lapua Palma cases with CCI BR-4 primers although I may change to Muroms if I can get a hold of some. I was amazed at how much of a difference it made with the figures produced when altering the burn rate to your 0.5500 and wondered if the same figure still held true with a heavier bullet. All the Best, Panda

Very nice Mark. Bit more space than the shed in the back garden . Wishing you all the best wI think the larger venture.