Bob D Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 I want to get into annealing my cases Can anyone tell me what is the best annealing machine to get is any help gratefully received Bob D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trucraft Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 I just borrowed one of these. Couldn't be easier and 150 pieces took me minutes. https://www.ampannealing.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gun Pimp Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 Good article on annealing on 6mmBR.com at the moment - from the AMP people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 AMP is technically the best,and by far,easiest to use,almost no running costs,but expensive (way over £1000). Bench Rest s a very good hot gas jet turntable machine,about £half the AMP Many on here have bought Raptor's gas jet turntable machine,about £half the Bench Rest (check back posts) It is also possible to have your cases annealed for a moderate fee.....(?15p-likely need posting). Factor in costs of gas and Tempilaq if you want a clearer cost comparison. Accurate Shooter bulletin article from AMP is (very) technical (in places) but state of the tech on some issues. gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeman Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 AMP machine = £1125.00....each pilot an extra $17.50 Buy new cases me..... my barrel will likely wear out before I could justify the benefits of that cost Vs prolonging cases ...Vs barrel wear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grum87 Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 AMP machine = £1125.00....each pilot an extra $17.50 Buy new cases me..... my barrel will likely wear out before I could justify the benefits of that cost Vs prolonging cases ...Vs barrel wear If you think annealing is about prolonging your brass' life, you're missing the point I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakeman Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 If you think annealing is about prolonging your brass' life, you're missing the point I'm afraid. Indeed I am....but been through this one before though recently on another thread. At £57.00 for .308 I'll take that any day against that extortionate cost....I too seek accuracy before speed, but I feel there are more important factors than annealing. I do however get the 'sum of the whole is greater than the parts' in reloading, so it all has a part to play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justin credible Posted September 25, 2017 Report Share Posted September 25, 2017 I want to get into annealing my cases Can anyone tell me what is the best annealing machine to get is any help gratefully received Bob D You already knew the answer Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarmLR Posted September 26, 2017 Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 I really can't fault Raptor 's machine if I'm honest +1 A good machine which could be made into a great machine with a little extra thought applied to the torch holder. I would have been willing to pay a little more for a less H/R torch holder solution but it's easy enough to make your own with a little time and thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob D Posted September 26, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 26, 2017 You already knew the answer Bob Just checking I'll be coming over soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyw2 Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 There was a good post and article (I think on here, but cannot find it looking back) where someone mentioned utilising scent / additive free soap to mark the case necks and then torching until the soap turned black. Apparently, this is a good indicator of a 400 degree heating (evidence was provided) - enough to anneal the neck and only costs an appropriate bar of soap and a gas torch. Regards Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VarmLR Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 I have had no problem with the torch holder, I just found a drill slightly smaller diameter than the torch tube and bent the two flat pieces of stainless of the holder tightly around the drill in a vice ...It makes a pretty solid clamp I did something similar but because the torch position for my 223 cases is a fair bit different to where it needs to be for the 308, it is always a faff re-positioning it by bending bits of metal. I guess it depends on the torch, but making a more solid holder up isn't too much problem and is on my "to do" list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1066 Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 There was a good post and article (I think on here, but cannot find it looking back) where someone mentioned utilising scent / additive free soap to mark the case necks and then torching until the soap turned black. Apparently, this is a good indicator of a 400 degree heating (evidence was provided) - enough to anneal the neck and only costs an appropriate bar of soap and a gas torch. Regards Mark Hello Mark I think the thread you were referring too was on another forum https://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.uk/showthread.php/139418-Stress-Relief-Annealing-cartridge-brass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve223Akley Posted September 27, 2017 Report Share Posted September 27, 2017 The best is defiantly the AMP machine. However, value for money I think that UKV member Raptors home build units are fantastic and well worth it. The quality is just spot on. Defo recommended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onehole Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I shared the cost of a Raptor with a mate and with a few practice runs I think we know what were doing now and is repeatable.The only weakness with the raptor in my opinion is the torch mount,,,so much so that I use a separate contraption on the bench that is much more rigid as well as adjustable.Personally I can,t say that I have noticed any difference in accuracy as I only had need to size necks so minimally in tight neck situations. What I,m hoping for is to maintain the malluableness? of the brass and hence longer case life?,,,way too early to tell yet as I,m only on three to six firing across my rifles cases which pretty much got binned after 12 to 15 firings ish before. I think I could live without one but where one is working or having to size the brass more heavily then there must be a benefit.I,m getting away from the question as usual!,,,,I think the best one is going to have to be one that is the most user friendly and then above all you have to get good positioning with the flame,,its heat and timing,,,,,can be quite an ordeal at first,,,,good luck,,,,,,O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted September 28, 2017 Report Share Posted September 28, 2017 I stumped up for an AMP but the Raptor looks very good for a flame method (I've used turntable's in the past an once set up are effective) I went for the AMP for a few reasons, instant to set up, I can go into the man cave and 'do' any number of cases within 30 seconds of turning on the machine, can walk away, turn it off, go have tea, come back - absolutely not time required, safety impact etc.. Changing from one cartridge to another less takes than 30 seconds. No naked flames. But mainly consistency - (caveat if you have turntable machine set up for one cartridge only and do not change anything between uses this is less of an issue.) You look at your needs and what you want from a tool then make your decision. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooter Posted October 2, 2017 Report Share Posted October 2, 2017 Take a look at the machine from Mick Miller (look on You Tube). It is more expensive than the unit from Raptor, but covers everything on a single disk, which makes the cost comparable with the one from Raptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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