General Election

[John MH]

Unfortunately I can see a summer of riots on the horizon with the youth and those that feel socially deprived stirred up by the likes of comrades Corbyn, McDonald and McCluskey as they see and read the weakness of May.

[Breacher]

Unfortunately I can see a summer of riots on the horizon with the youth and those that feel socially deprived stirred up by the likes of comrades Corbyn, McDonald and McCluskey as they see and read the weakness of May.

Would not surprise me.

[John MH]

McDonald Urges 1 Million to Protest Riot

 

This is a deliberate marxist ploy to destabilise the UK Government.

[VarmLR]

McDonald Urges 1 Million to Protest Riot

 

This is a deliberate marxist ploy to destabilise the UK Government.

 

 

Yes, something that the police should be jumping all over! Mcdonnell is a true and dangerous far left Marxist, and very pro-anarchy. It would not surprise me in the least to find that his real pay-masters were not to be found within the UK.

 

Here's something else which shows Mcdonnell to be the scum that he is:

 

https://order-order.com/2015/10/09/john-mcdonnell-praises-spitting-as-a-form-of-protest/

 

This man is in the shadow cabinet of the United Kingdom's Parliament for heavens sakes. Wave goodbye to democracy if Labour get in with that lot in charge. They already have the BBC in their pockets...allegedly.

[bradders]

McDonald Urges 1 Million to Protest Riot

 

This is a deliberate marxist ploy to destabilise the UK Government.

Of course it is, just look at the demo that marched on Whitehall, after the tower block fire

 

If you think this is a spontneous demonstratioon, then look again.

These placards weren't made up in someones bedroom or shed overnight, they are professionally printed

Look at the ones that say "Socialist Worker". That is the rag of the Labour Party

These c__unts are hijacking others actual grief for their own misuse and political agenda

This is Rentamob and it's shameful

[Vermincinerator]

And Tomorrow is the Al Quds march where followers will be able to display the flags of Hezbollah without fear of prosecution

 

Ian.

[MrCetrizine]

Sadiq Khan responded to a petition to ban the march saying that as long as they stayed within the law, they had a right to march but the police would enforce a zero tolerance policy on hate crimes such as anti-Semitism. The whole point of the march is to support the destruction of Israel. So if everyone marching isn't immediately arrested then Sadiq Khan is a liar.

[brown dog]

Of course it is, just look at the demo that marched on Whitehall, after the tower block fire

 

If you think this is a spontneous demonstratioon, then look again.

These placards weren't made up in someones bedroom or shed overnight, they are professionally printed

Look at the ones that say "Socialist Worker". That is the rag of the Labour Party

These c__unts are hijacking others actual grief for their own misuse and political agenda

 

This is Rentamob and it's shameful

 

Spot on. Shameful.

[Re-Pete]

An apparently sub-standard social housing unit in one of the wealthiest parts of London catches fire with many fatalities, and you use the word "shameful" to describe the resulting protest???

 

What planet are you people from?

 

RePete

[bradders]

An apparently sub-standard social housing unit in one of the wealthiest parts of London catches fire with many fatalities, and you use the word "shameful" to describe the resulting protest???

 

What planet are you people from?

 

RePete

Yes it is shameful. It is exploitation of the highest order.

Do you think 5-10,000 people suddenly had the same idea to march on Whitehall with professionally ready-made placards, many of which don't even mention the fire, but are blatant protests against Tory rule?

Look at the casualties from the fire, mostly of Arab, Muslim or other Asian or African descent.

Go to Ladbroke Grove yourself and see the demographics of the area, and then ask yourself how come the majority of those marching with the placards are white, then tell me what connection they have with the victims.

 

What happened is awful, I visited it the other day, have you??

But i am sensible enough to wait for the enquiry to decide the real cause and who if anyone is culpable

 

 

Until then everything is speculation

[John MH]

An apparently sub-standard social housing unit in one of the wealthiest parts of London

 

 

I would suggest that after having £10,000,000 spent on it (£83,333 per flat) it was not 'sub standard', however, something was not done properly and that needs to be identified and action taken if there was any criminal negligence.

[terryh]

An apparently sub-standard social housing unit in one of the wealthiest parts of London catches fire with many fatalities, and you use the word "shameful" to describe the resulting protest???

 

What planet are you people from?

 

RePete

Mr Pete,

 

I did not beleive anyone is against or has made comments saying there should not be some sort or 'protest' to ensure the cause of this horror is found.

 

what people are pointing out is that a certain section of the political spectrum is very obviously (and it is very obvious) using this specific incident to gain ground which is literally 'shameful'.

 

Which if you step back is rather ironic, the left/Labour are all against big business but in 'big business' the tactic of capitalising on another companie's apparent weakness to take them over is used all the time & here the left are doing just the same. Funny old World is it not?

 

Terry

[Tikka4Sika]

Also doing the rounds of other social media

Before you join the Theresa May lynch mob here are some FACTS relating to the Grenfell tragedy..

1. The block of flats was run not by the Council but by KCTMO. ...This body is made up of 8 TENANTS, 4 councilors and 3 independent members.

2 Labour hold the seat that the block is situated in.

3 Labour run the London Council who manage the under funded London Fire Service

4 Emma Coad the sitting Labour MP for that ward also sat on the KCTMO.

5 The advice to stay put which Sadiq Khan has been so vocal about was given by the London Fire Service.

6 The decision to change contractors during the refurb was made by KCTMO.

7 The decision not to spend an additional £138k on fitting sprinklers was again KCTMO.

8 The decision to create ALMO organisation such as the KCTMO was made under the Right To Manage legislation passed in 2002 as part of the Commonhold and Leasehold Reform Act.

9 This was put in place to give leaseholders and tenants a greater say and the ability to self manage, which in some circumstances has clearly proven to be flawed.

10 Which Govt was in a charge when this law was passed? It was Labour.

11 Sadiq Khan as mayor of London Produced a report to say that the fire service did not need further funding.

12 Emma Coad elected Labour MP was on the board of the Tenant Management group who are being accused of not listening to tenants.

 

 

So not blood on Tory hands really , just Labour ....

[Artiglio]

With the greatest respect, there are some glaring innaccuracies in that list, especially in the comments about ALMO's however it certainly shows that a lot of the accusations being bandied about by both sides leave a lot to be desired and political point scoring has become more important , at a time of such dreadful tradgedy for so many it's inexcusable.

[Tikka4Sika]

With the greatest respect, there are some glaring innaccuracies in that list, especially in the comments about ALMO's however it certainly shows that a lot of the accusations being bandied about by both sides leave a lot to be desired and political point scoring has become more important , at a time of such dreadful tradgedy for so many it's inexcusable.

Maybe one or two but it certainly shows its not the fault of TM , perhaps youd correct the list for us all?

[bradders]

Maybe one or two but it certainly shows its not the fault of TM , perhaps youd correct the list for us all?

 

 

I wouldn't bother, propagating these myths, hearsay and rumours does no one any good

[Tikka4Sika]

 

 

I wouldn't bother, propagating these myths, hearsay and rumours does no one any good

Except they are not.

[MrCetrizine]

1 True.

2 True but only since 9/6/2017 (9 days ago).

3 Again true but hardly relevant given their stellar performance.

4 True but she left in 2012, two years before anything about Grenfell was discussed.

5 True.

6 True but how relevant that is remains to be investigated.

7 True and this is probably most likely to be a main focus of the upcoming investigation.

8, 9, 10 Not in any way relevant who created them or why but individual responsibilities and failures will no doubt be investigated.

11 True and although more funding would always help, their performance cannot be questioned.

12 See 4.

 

It doesn't matter which party did what or said what or failed to do x or y, that will no doubt come out in the inquiry. What matters is what they do now to help those affected and ensure that this doesn't happen again. Judge them on the real, effective measures they take or fight for.

[bradders]

1 True.

2 True but only since 9/6/2017 (9 days ago).

3 Again true but hardly relevant given their stellar performance.

4 True but she left in 2012, two years before anything about Grenfell was discussed.

5 True.

6 True but how relevant that is remains to be investigated.

7 True and this is probably most likely to be a main focus of the upcoming investigation.

8, 9, 10 Not in any way relevant who created them or why but individual responsibilities and failures will no doubt be investigated.

11 True and although more funding would always help, their performance cannot be questioned.

12 See 4.

 

It doesn't matter which party did what or said what or failed to do x or y, that will no doubt come out in the inquiry. What matters is what they do now to help those affected and ensure that this doesn't happen again. Judge them on the real, effective measures they take or fight for.

Exactly!!!

Unlike the Tikka bloke who just wants to play the Blame Game®

[Tikka4Sika]

Exactly!!!

Unlike the Tikka bloke who just wants to play the Blame Game®

You are wrong again, I`m not blaming anyone , far too early for that , my point was the protesters are blaming TM et al when in reality the running of the district is heavily Labour influenced.

[bradders]

You are wrong again, I`m not blaming anyone , far too early for that , my point was the protesters are blaming TM et al when in reality the running of the district is heavily Labour influenced.

I am not wrong

You have posted a list of 'points' you found on the internet somewhere, some it seems are wrong, so you have propagated mistruths and misconceptions, when at this time it is unhelpful, unnecessary and unwelcome..

 

Where did you find that and how many other places have you posted it?

 

Please stop Random bloke on the internet. There will be an enquiry and the real facts will come out

[Re-Pete]

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-analysis/2017/06/14/yes-the-grenfell-tower-fire-is-political-

 

There was a fire in a sister tower, Adair, in 2015 that resulted in a legal enforcement notice being issued to KCTMO to install "self closing devices",

Grenfell Tower was not included in the notice..................

Clearly a case of something that should have been done, but for whatever reason, wasn't.

Gov. cuts in council spending, maybe? In a country that's so hard up, TV presenters can make 23K a day..................gimme strength.

 

RePete

 

 

RePete

[Tikka4Sika]

I am not wrong

You have posted a list of 'points' you found on the internet somewhere, some it seems are wrong, so you have propagated mistruths and misconceptions, when at this time it is unhelpful, unnecessary and unwelcome..

 

Where did you find that and how many other places have you posted it?

 

Please stop Random bloke on the internet. There will be an enquiry and the real facts will come out

Right , so lets discuss nothing or voice opinion and let the trustworthy authorities tell us what happened ....

[bradders]

Right , so lets discuss nothing or voice opinion and let the trustworthy authorities tell us what happened ....

Correct

[Re-Pete]

Now now, girls............