Austin.243 Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Hi, Ive started doing a bit more bunny bashing recently using my Dad's Anschutz 1417 with 21" barrel and sporter stock. The accuracy isn't really up to what I'd have thought it was capable of. I use a mule and white light most of the time so can keep the distance to about 40 yards which its perfectly capable of head shooting rabbits. But ive been out a few times without the mule, sitting and waiting for them to come out, so ranges from 20-80+ and at the further distances I can rarely hit the rabbit in the head or at all. Testing the rifle on paper the best group at 50 is about 3/4" opening up to 1 and 1/4" which is less that I would assume its capable of. I'm using Winchester 42 grain sub sonics, my father has tried match ammo but he hasn't have much better results. With my .243 both Dad and I can put .3MOA groups together so I wouldn't have said it was our shooting. Should I be expecting any more accuracy and would a better stock help? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka4Sika Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Try it with and without a moderator, if there`s no difference buy as many different types / makes of ammo you can get your hands on and test them out , then of course stick with the one that suits your rifle best, not much else you can do afaik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin.243 Posted April 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Thanks for the reply, mod doesn't make any difference. And we've tried enough different ammo over the past few years and non of them have been exceptionally better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
les Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 I think the first thing to do is give the barrel a really good cleaning. Check the crown, visually and with a cotton bud, and check the action screw torque. Around 18 - 20 In.lbs should give reasonable results.. Are you shooting prone? From a bipod? Standing? Offhand? Any of the above can affect the accuracy. I would expect the 1417 to be able to produce 1" - 1.5" groups at 100 yards, but every rifle is different Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin.243 Posted April 28, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Given the barrel a good cleaning before shooting and the crown is in good nick, ive bedded the action and made doubly sure that barrel is free floating. The action screws are just done up by hand so I don't know what the specific torque is.Shooting from prone off a bipod with a sand bag so I'm giving it as much chance as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillair1 Posted April 28, 2017 Report Share Posted April 28, 2017 Try pushing a sturdy air rifle pellet such as a barracuda down the barrel and feel for resistance along the barrel especially at the muzzle end where it has been threaded. To be honest I rank my 1417 behind my finnfire and AMT in the accuracy stakes. How many rounds do you test shoot before discarding a particular brand?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT3_richy Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 I would expect the 1417 to be able to produce 1" - 1.5" groups at 100 yards, but every rifle is different I picked up a new 1417 with the 14" barrel last week; shoots inline with what les suggests, 1-1.5" 5 shot groups at 100 yards depending on the ammo used. With its favoured stuff its a fairly consistent 1" - and if I can shoot that I'd imagine it could be improved upon by someone with some talent... Give it to a smith for a look? or chop it in for a used CZ/similar perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin.243 Posted April 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Just an update, I had a look at the anschutz this morning and its actually a 1415-1416 rather than the 1417. Does anyone know if there is a large difference between the two models? Yeah I think if we can't sort it then we'll look to get a new cz in a boyds stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Check back about 6 months for a thread on 22 grouping at 100y- there were rather few that could actually achieve 1moa,or were reallly up to head shooting rabbits with a high % hit rate (Brown Dog started the thread,to help locate.....) gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka4Sika Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 IIRC some/all Anschutz .22LR have a choked barrel , if yours has been threaded as an after market job it could have had the choked area cut off , obviously that will not help matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Austin, it's not what the internet might lead you to expect, but your 22lr accuracy sounds pretty 'real world' to me: http://ukvarminting.com/forums/topic/35243-22lr-accuracy-expectation-challenge-3-consecutive-5-shot-groups-post-photos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin.243 Posted April 29, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 Barrel came threaded. Took the action and barrel out of the stock and clamped it in a black and decker workmate ( action down to the mod) and there was a definite increase in accuracy with touching groups at 50. Put the stock back out but removed the bipod and shot off sandbags, again there was an increase in accuracy compared to with the bipod on. replaced the bipod, back to spraying. Changed bipod from a harris 6-9 tilt to a 9-13 tilt and there was an increase of accuracy! Nothing on the bipod was loose so a little bit odd how it seams to be affecting the accuracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillair1 Posted April 29, 2017 Report Share Posted April 29, 2017 I would get someone to check that its still free floated when you're in position on the bipod. I recently had the same issue on my 1417, I could pass a note down the barrel, but when loading up the bipod, the barrel was just touching the stock underneath by a mm, leaving a mark on the blueing. Cost me a new photon before I worked it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin.243 Posted April 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Stillair1, will give that a try, as the fore end is so thin on the stock it could definitely be happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grum87 Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Read the thread that BD posted, and accept 22LR's are indeed pants for shooting tiny groups. Anywhere from 1" to 1.5" would be 'good' in my book at 100 for a .22, doing it consistently that is, not once in a blue moon....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visiter1 Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 imo id get the crown redone and have someone look at the stock but an inch at 100 yards is quiet goof for a 22 with subs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin.243 Posted April 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Well, done some more fiddling and I have found that the bolt handle is grinding against the action causing wear on the action. Can anyone else who has an anchutz confirm that this isn't right? And also the amount of force that is required to recock the bolt is hugely excessive. I attached a fishing scale to the end of the bolt and it took 15lbs of force to recock the bolt. My mother could hardly do it, so this really can't be right. I've stripped the bolt and there seams nothing to be a miss, but something is right. I just want to clarify that I am getting 1-1.5 inch group AT 50, NOT 100. If I was I would be very happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka4Sika Posted April 30, 2017 Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Definitely not right! I`d thoroughly clean the chamber/bolt/receiver/barrel , if its still the same dont use it and give it to a reputable smith to fix . Ps You only mention this now , has it just started doing this? have you stripped the bolt and is it assembled correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin.243 Posted April 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2017 Well to my knowledge the bolt is reassembled the way it should be as I followed a set of instructions and its really not that hard to do- as I'm an engineer (well will be classed as one in a few years ) The bolt has always been in my opinion a bit stiff but not like it has been recently. The action isn't too dirty but will give it a good clean and if nothing happens I think ill take it go the smithy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Well, done some more fiddling and I have found that the bolt handle is grinding against the action causing wear on the action. Can anyone else who has an anchutz confirm that this isn't right? And also the amount of force that is required to recock the bolt is hugely excessive. I attached a fishing scale to the end of the bolt and it took 15lbs of force to recock the bolt. My mother could hardly do it, so this really can't be right. I've stripped the bolt and there seams nothing to be a miss, but something is right. I just want to clarify that I am getting 1-1.5 inch group AT 50, NOT 100. If I was I would be very happy. Something now not right with the bolt, but also something wrong with the way you're assessing your groups, I think: You're cherry-picking best and worst to support the point you want to make. Eg You shoot 0.3" at 100 with centrefire - what, everytime?....or have done one or twice and avg group sits nearer 0.75 to 1.5? Earlier, this 22 was doing 3/4 to 1.25 at 50, now it's solidly 1.5..... if you read the link earlier on 'real' 22lr accuracy expectations, 3/4" at 50 is about the real world of OUTDOOR 22lr - not the internet world where silly people claim to be consistently 'headshooting rabbits at 100'. Read the link, and look at the real targets, before you find or create anymore 'problems' with this rifle - forend's wrong, now the bolt's wrong (fiddling with it in the search for something to blame?) - but, before the bolt went wrong, you report it as shooting well when clamped...... You're psyching yourself out with unrealistic expectations - I suspect this rifle is (or was! ) fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka4Sika Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 Something now not right with the bolt, but also something wrong with the way you're assessing your groups, I think: You're cherry-picking best and worst to support the point you want to make. Eg You shoot 0.3" at 100 with centrefire - what, everytime?....or have done one or twice and avg group sits nearer 0.75 to 1.5? Earlier, this 22 was doing 3/4 to 1.25 at 50, now it's solidly 1.5..... if you read the link earlier on 'real' 22lr accuracy expectations, 3/4" at 50 is about the real world of OUTDOOR 22lr - not the internet world where silly people claim to be consistently 'headshooting rabbits at 100'. Read the link, and look at the real targets, before you find or create anymore 'problems' with this rifle - forend's wrong, now the bolt's wrong (fiddling with it in the search for something to blame?) - but, before the bolt went wrong, you report it as shooting well when clamped...... You're psyching yourself out with unrealistic expectations - I suspect this rifle is (or was! ) fine Yep I think the OP was trying to fix a problem that wasn't there....until he messed with the bolt, it now needs checking over by a Gunsmith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bianchi Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 To my knowledge, all Anschütz rimfire actions are only locked by the bolt handle in the receiver, therefore this is most critical to achieving consistent precision. Looks like this fine example has been worked on by Heath Robinson and his merry men and now requires professional surgery. Also from recollection, isn't a spring-load ball bearing located in lhe hole on side of the bolt handle at the rear? PS: In some other forums, owners have commented on locking issues with some models when loading CCI ammo.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin.243 Posted May 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 I was looking for some advice and if you haven't got anything constructive to say don't say it. Having a dig at my shooting ability and also my mechanical ability isn't on. I'm no Heath Robison and I'm more than capable of taking a .22 bolt apart there's less than 10 pieces! There certainly is something wrong with the rifle and it hasn't just started after I stripping the bolt. Bianchi, there is a hole in the back of the bolt but ive never seen a spring loaded ball bearing and on the exploded diagram there isn't anything to suggest that my model has it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tikka4Sika Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 I was looking for some advice and if you haven't got anything constructive to say don't say it. Having a dig at my shooting ability and also my mechanical ability isn't on. I'm no Heath Robison and I'm more than capable of taking a .22 bolt apart there's less than 10 pieces! There certainly is something wrong with the rifle and it hasn't just started after I stripping the bolt. Bianchi, there is a hole in the back of the bolt but ive never seen a spring loaded ball bearing and on the exploded diagram there isn't anything to suggest that my model has it. No one criticised your shooting , I did imply it was odd that you did not mention the bolt problem in your first post and then you tell us youve since stripped it and that bolt and now its stiffer than ever and possibly not safe, if you are the budding engineer you claim to be you should be telling us what problem you found and how you rectified it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillair1 Posted May 1, 2017 Report Share Posted May 1, 2017 I've got not detent ball on my 1417 handle, neither have I got a hole in the bolt. The problem with cci ammo I think relates to the cci stingers, which have a slightly longer case than the std .22lr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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