lee w 118 Posted August 12, 2015 Report Share Posted August 12, 2015 Interesting read on 6mmBR and snipers hide on RUGER tactical vs AXAT worth a look Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 All thou at a curtain price point the Ruger is a lot of gun for the money , especially in the USA , in other countries , a little less , as they are paying much more for the rifle . But really , as good as the Ruger may be or not , its not a patch on any AI rifle , at least its not in My world , I would have too be on some real good drugs for the RPR to be anywhere close to any AI rifle . I still plan on buying one & using it as a varmint rifle ( nice that it has a double feed mag ) , But as to replacing any of my AI rifles , Yeah Naa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee w 118 Posted October 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 All thou at a curtain price point the Ruger is a lot of gun for the money , especially in the USA , in other countries , a little less , as they are paying much more for the rifle . But really , as good as the Ruger may be or not , its not a patch on any AI rifle , at least its not in My world , I would have too be on some real good drugs for the RPR to be anywhere close to any AI rifle . I still plan on buying one & using it as a varmint rifle ( nice that it has a double feed mag ) , But as to replacing any of my AI rifles , Yeah Naa I will stick with me DTA SRS A1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 3, 2015 Report Share Posted October 3, 2015 All thou at a curtain price point the Ruger is a lot of gun for the money , especially in the USA , in other countries , a little less , as they are paying much more for the rifle . But really , as good as the Ruger may be or not , its not a patch on any AI rifle , at least its not in My world , I would have too be on some real good drugs for the RPR to be anywhere close to any AI rifle . I still plan on buying one & using it as a varmint rifle ( nice that it has a double feed mag ) , But as to replacing any of my AI rifles , Yeah Naa The Ruger is meant as an entry level target rifle; for the guys who don't have $7K to drop on a single purpose, recreational rifle. Not something that you'd trade in your AI for. I've shot four different Ruger's now; one Creedmore and three, 308's. I'm not certain how you could make any of them more accurate. One 308 was used with Federal Gold Match factory ammo, and the other two fed Sierra 168 MKs and 168 grain A-Max, respectively. At 100 they all shot ragged holes with the handloads edging the Match Federal ammo. With my 308 I have shot sub MOA at 400 and 1.2MOA at 1000. In the hands of a more capable rifleman using better optics I have seen the 6.5 shoot repeated 1000 yard groups in the .7 to 1MOA class -sometimes even better. For $1000 US that's a lot of rifle, straight from the box. You are right, though. Maybe not as good a deal fro EU and UK shooters but then I don't know what an AI costs there. They start at about $4-5K here, I believe. ~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisF Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Its alot of bang for your buck , but as I said , it isnt a AI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Its alot of bang for your buck , but as I said , it isnt a AI Yup. That's why I own one.~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Think 'the' thing about this new rifle 'is' the value. You'll get more for your money just thru' the scale of the two companies. But if we look at this practically (objectively ?), if the accuracy is and remains as seen so far and assuming the UK importers do not tear the UK shooters a new one i.e. $ for £ on street pricing then someone who wants to shoot could buy the Ruger, a scope, good enough reloading gear + components, club membership/range fees and shoot for a year (say 1500rounds at a club days) for the price of your most basic AI rifle only. It might not be an AI but it's not supposed to be - so I find any comparisons not exactly 'apples for apples'? If you have sufficient beer tokens to buy and AI then go for it, they are very nice (I have in the past), would you shoot any better, doubtful, does the AI have a better image/resale value - yes, can you actually get to handle an AI before buying - no, not really (unless you live near Crawley). T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Happy that legit US imports change the $ to £ - with the numerical value staying the same - because of duty, VAT and costs, What's the current UK price groundtruth? Last I saw was this (which, against a US 'street price' of, I believe, $830 looks like a bit of a dry-bumming). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 BD: That $830 is the dealer cost, not the street value: I've seen the invoices. Here they are selling for $950 to $1050 depending where you get them. On the first day of release, a California sporting goods chain was selling them for $897 and the entire chain sold out in about 45 minutes (that's for the entire state of California) Mine cost me $1050 but the store I shop at gives rebates so it cost me $950 in the end. Terry: You are 100% correct. A new (or not so new) shooter can get a Ruger, a good bit of glass, an Atlas bipod and a rangefinder and still be far under the base-cost of an AI. ~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brown dog Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Thanks for correcting my numbers Andrew be interesting to see if they come out at a £1050 'street price' here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Matt, Been conversing with a friend in Houston specifically about this rifle, seems $1000 +/- $50 is the current shop price. So £1000 - £1100 is hopeful so long as we are not stiffed too much (Houston 'VAT' aka 'purchase tax' runs 7.5-8.5%, UK 20%). But my gut it will be higher, hopefully not the full £1400. As Viking Arms are the Ruger importer, they've just made a pile of money for nothing as the agents (aka Mr mark-up) for the British Army Glocks so hopefully won't fleece the UK public twice (removing rose coloured glasses) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 What chamberings are you guys thinking of getting? Creedmore, I'm guessing??~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Andrew, I'm rifled out, but if I was considering one it would be for my son in 6.5 Creedmoor or .243, the former because I like 6.5mm's, the latter as the advertised twist is 1: 7.7 = DTAC's = at not silly speeds great performance and the original 'wind-cheater was toted bt George Gardener and it was sooo muh better th the 308's at the time T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Andrew, I'm rifled out, but if I was considering one it would be for my son in 6.5 Creedmoor or .243, the former because I like 6.5mm's, the latter as the advertised twist is 1: 7.7 = DTAC's = at not silly speeds great performance and the original 'wind-cheater was toted bt George Gardener and it was sooo muh better th the 308's at the time T I chose a 308 because I have a lot of 308 gear and I like the cartridge. In reality? It wouldn't matter because after-market barrels are already becoming available. It's just a matter of time before I have another barrel... or two. ~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geek Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I have an AI AT (.308), but quite fancy the Ruger in 6.5 Creedmoor: in fact I just put a variation for the 6.5, that will be another 6 week wait I expect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shuggy Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 I have an AI AT (.308), but quite fancy the Ruger in 6.5 Creedmoor: in fact I just put a variation for the 6.5, that will be another 6 week wait I expect? Why not just get a spare barrel for the AT in 6.5 Creedmoor? The interchangeable barrel is one of the strengths of the AT design and it would be a lot cheaper than a new rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geek Posted October 4, 2015 Report Share Posted October 4, 2015 Why not just get a spare barrel for the AT in 6.5 Creedmoor? The interchangeable barrel is one of the strengths of the AT design and it would be a lot cheaper than a new rifle. I can see the point that with this calibre you will probably have an expensive scope, so it would save another scope, just want another rifle (when funds allow: need to fund another .223 for my Son to shoot McQueens first). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I have an AI AT (.308), but quite fancy the Ruger in 6.5 Creedmoor: in fact I just put a variation for the 6.5, that will be another 6 week wait I expect? You'll probably like it. I have shot my friends quite a few times. With a suppressor on it's like shooting a .22 and it is painfully accurate. The smallest group i've peronally witnessed at 1000 yards was shot with his Ruger 6.5 CM ~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 We shall just have to wait and see UK prices for the Ruger PR,and ditto availability.As terry et all say,it is about cost effectiveness,rather than a head to head on all crirteria-whatever those might be-(with AI@£3K+;Sako TRG10 @ $10Kor Remington's mil package @$21K !). Meanwhile,some performance data and decent reviews are available-so this might whet appetites,or put in perspective....or both ! Here's "the Truth about Guns" testing a 6.5 Creedmoor with three commercial ammos: 120 and 140 Amax Hornady shot around 1moa at 100y (5 shots) and held this at 465y; 129SST shot .55" at a hundred ,not tested further. American Rifleman (Kelly Young-excellent review) shot 5x5shot aggregated, 6.5 Creedmoor: Hornady 120 Amax .82 at 100y,140 A max .67;Winchester 140 .78 All groups were .6 to .9 inch,so good consistent accuracy,averaging overall .75" That seems OK for a factory Ruger costing under £1500 (or $1000 US)-it isn't outstanding accuracy,but good for factory,if it continues to be consistent.There are a few scattered one offs with 308,none I can find with 243-and the usual one off (ie best never repeated) groups on Ruger RP Challenge,if you are statistically challenged,but like atypical small groups......we can dream! Accuracy then is OK,not at all outstanding,but relates to price quite well-the appeal of the package is probaly not just in it's performance on targets,of course. It does well otherwise too,and will be accurate enough for most. It may do better esp in handloaded Creedmoor. I might just be tempted-a 7.7 twist 243....for sako money,and I may get over my Middlestead crisis at last. Bring it on. gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 Factory ammo is generally quite good but hand loads are a different animal.~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borisserge Posted October 5, 2015 Report Share Posted October 5, 2015 I'm looking forward to seeing how well the .243 performs tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terryh Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Borriserge, There are some examples on the Ruger PR specific page, bunch of challenges, thus: http://www.ruger.com/micros/rpr/challenge.html The 243 looks none too shabby? T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Borriserge, There are some examples on the Ruger PR specific page, bunch of challenges, thus: http://www.ruger.com/micros/rpr/challenge.html The 243 looks none too shabby? T Terry,indeed there are-they are the ones I referenced as 'one off bests",so not replicated/typical. It also seems to me that some of the measures are err optimistic ....can't see the 600y as .97 inches,tho' .97 moa looks ok. The .03 target has three shots with two just barely overlapping-that makes it just sub .3 moa,not .03.... But this non-sense aside,and with the much more reliable data elsewhwere, sub moa,with factory,and maybe .5 with really good ammo,seems realistic. Pretty good for this class/style of rifle-though not too remarkable for a £1500 bolt acton. Good to have the 7.7 twist 243 option,too Hope they can keep up this quality when big volume production gets underway...as it should. It seems likely to be a rifle that gives a lot of satisfaction -from the box-but not too many BR size groups-but those are not needed in any practical context (as distinct from strict precision competitions). Premium third party barrels should improve on that,at some cost of course. g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 6, 2015 Report Share Posted October 6, 2015 Funny you should mention production rates on the Ruger. A buddy told me that he read that Ruger only produces 35 RPR's per week. I don' t know if that's true or not...... Doesn't sound very Ruger-like. ~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 FWIW: My friend and I were doing range maintenance this evening and he checked the zero of his 6.5 CM/ Ruger at 200 yards. He put five shots into 7/16 inch at 200 from the prone position. Handloads, of course.~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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