baldie Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Does anyone use a lamp anymore these days ? Genuine question. The forums seem to be full of nothing but night vision talk. No one mentions the old fashioned methods anymore. I suppose it will cut down on lamp shy foxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggersqueezer Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 i still lamp ,just because its more social.results are not as good but that way there is allways a few out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 i still use a lamp ,me and 204 rem took out a m ate the other week .he's never been foxing before and we wanted to show him something so the lamp it was.had a good night saw ten foxes had three shots and picked up three.wouldn't have been much of a night for him with nv gear.went out on my own Friday night so took the nv.both have their place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagged 77 Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yes, partly because I don't do enough lamping at the moment to justify a NV setup (and I won't do cheap...) and second the wife would kill me if I spent a fortune on one.. Plus there are some fantastic LED lights out there now, far better then there used to be. Admittedly when lamping less is sometimes more but to have 900 lumens + out of one 18650 battery when required in an EDC sized light is impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay666d Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Yeah, I still lamp... But that's because I can't afford NV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyw Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 Dave -i do both- once the pesky varmints are under control then the nv comes out usually around october when the nights are drawing in i use the nv to clear up the lamp shy ones. lamp used last night with a keeper mate, even under a full moon 5 sorted. the nv for me is a billy no mates operation i prefer it that way- lamping as stated is more of a 2 man operation. another method is bait and wait- that can bring good results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughes.s Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I am going back to "lamping" methods for fox useing red and green torches together (from ludicrous) ,it took a long time to get the nv set up to suit me, although it works very well out to 150 yds, I do not get the same unity? between rifle and fox when looking at a screen. I much prefer to look thru the scope.(it seems more personal) I use a bresser with a NM 800 single battery to spot. The nv I use for the lamp shy rats. Hughes.s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz6br Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I will all ways lamp as I've loved it since the first time I went, when I was about 12 years old. We use lamps on top of disco and on kobota, but torches are just as good now days This one fell short of a t20 about 40 minutes ago Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolter Posted September 10, 2014 Report Share Posted September 10, 2014 I almost never carry a lamp now. I use thermal spotter and NV to shoot and have a spare NV spotter if theres a 3rd bloke about. It is more antisocial but foxing for me is a job to get done (one which I love) but I have to get results. NEVER go lamping as a social activity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 As Jagged says, there are fantastic LED torches now. Here's one some pest pros here helped design in conjunction with a Chinese manufacturer. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/MAXTOCH-Sniper-M24-Lighter-Version-of-SN6X-2S-AR-Lens-Copper-LED-Base-Longer-Shooting-Distance/314381_1769281159.html One of the guys here then dedomes the LED which basically doubles the light output. I still have a Lightforce 170 which has been the dominant spottie in NZ over the years. The M24 fair p!sses over it - at 300yds, stuff is WAY brighter than the 170 and you could def shoot deer at 400 if needed. It's only 10" long and even on high power, two 3100 Panasonics will do a solid hour. The beam has the grunty centre spot but there's enough side flood to scan a paddock quickly. My 170 is now redundant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I do, with a 22-250 - that old skool enough for you! Had 4 this week by that method. Although last night i was carrying the kmw sentinel 6.5 x 47l with pm2 and archer on the back seat for extra backup.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alycidon Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 As Jagged says, there are fantastic LED torches now. Here's one some pest pros here helped design in conjunction with a Chinese manufacturer. http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/MAXTOCH-Sniper-M24-Lighter-Version-of-SN6X-2S-AR-Lens-Copper-LED-Base-Longer-Shooting-Distance/314381_1769281159.html One of the guys here then dedomes the LED which basically doubles the light output. I still have a Lightforce 170 which has been the dominant spottie in NZ over the years. The M24 fair p!sses over it - at 300yds, stuff is WAY brighter than the 170 and you could def shoot deer at 400 if needed. It's only 10" long and even on high power, two 3100 Panasonics will do a solid hour. The beam has the grunty centre spot but there's enough side flood to scan a paddock quickly. My 170 is now redundant. That might be a real advance, been using 170 and 240 for years but have been looking for something lighter and more compact. As I understand your post the M24 as it comes is superior to the 170, please explain what you mean by one of the guys here then dedomes the LED which basically doubles the light output. Apart from what this actually means does this also mean that this work needs to be carried out to make the unit superior to a 170. Thanks A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsm Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Moving slightly off topic but for a hand held lamp have a look at the Crelant 7G5CS supplied here https://www.facebook.com/Ir.light.builds Fabulous lamp and excellent service from someone who really knows his stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony.H Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I still lamp, not got eneough money yet for nv, but i like running my dog as well, so i think i will always lamp To Alycidon i am betting he puts an asherical lens in it, that would work..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybrock Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 I still lamp during the late summer months when after cubs, but during winter when every fox has had half a dozen lamps shone at him then I switch to NV. Still use a lamp (well a torch) for rabbiting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sussexsteve Posted September 11, 2014 Report Share Posted September 11, 2014 Thermal and Nv for me as I prefer to shoot on my own. Shooting problem foxes mainly for keepers who can't get them with the lamp so call me in.. Do carry a t20 red incase one walks out at last light while on the fallow. Atb Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox 1 Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 i use both dave, we lamp round, when we see eye shine i switch to nv, my mate turns on seven inch sceen in disco and he watches on that. you call them in, job done. i think we get less lamp shy foxes because the light is not on long and if foxes are about they dont seem to know where the shot came from. monday night i called one in shot it, whent 300 yrds on to next field and called a second whould i have done that if we where lamping all the time ?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhunter Posted September 12, 2014 Report Share Posted September 12, 2014 I run both aswell, if a fox is taking lambs/foul etc the nv setup is out the cabinet first. Looking into a thermal spotter so can see the lamp been used less and less... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devon flighter Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 old fashioned bait and wait with a lamp for me as well ! cant afford NV ! but SLOWLY moving ahead with technology ( i do slow lol ) been using a cheap Chinese led torch and a maglite i converted to R.O.P (roar of the pelican) for scanning this last couple of years, just ordered an led torch torch of skany as well ! could do with a decent truck mounted light though now with all this improvement in lamps ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris-NZ Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 That might be a real advance, been using 170 and 240 for years but have been looking for something lighter and more compact. As I understand your post the M24 as it comes is superior to the 170, please explain what you mean by one of the guys here then dedomes the LED which basically doubles the light output. Apart from what this actually means does this also mean that this work needs to be carried out to make the unit superior to a 170. Thanks A The big Cree LED has a slightly yellowish silicon dome on it. There are no negatives in removing this and as I said, it basically doubles the brightness. Search on the Net- you will easily find videos on how to. The std light as it arrives is at least as good as a LF170, but it's well worth doing the dedoming job . There's a guy on the NZ Fish-n-Hunt forum ( "Gadgetman") who does the dedoming for free. I've had him do four various torches including the M24 and all were perfect. My conscience didn't allow me to just "use" him so sent him some petrol vouchers. BTW, torches with zoomable heads aren't candidates for the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Depends what part of the estate I shoot, tonight I was out with the lamp. Each has its own pro,s and cons I suppose. I've shot more from the NV than the lamp mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz6br Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I reckon you can cover a lot more ground by lamping, mop up as many as you can on the lamp then any left over you can't get bait the area and use nv to clean them up Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abolter Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I would sort of agree with you Gaz. Around here I use the lamp to confirm the presence of a fox. You can see a lot of ground quickly. Unfortunately in 95% of cases (excepting cubs) you wont get a shot in the lamp as they are on their way. However once I know they are about then a full NV campaign can come into its own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offroad Gary Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I like to have one in the morning! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhunter Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I would sort of agree with you Gaz. Around here I use the lamp to confirm the presence of a fox. You can see a lot of ground quickly. Unfortunately in 95% of cases (excepting cubs) you wont get a shot in the lamp as they are on their way. However once I know they are about then a full NV campaign can come into its own Agree with both gaz and abolter, my biggest problem lately though is folk lamping where they certainly have no permission and the foxes are becoming very shy, to the point on one of my permissions that one fox pisses of at the sight of the ir illuminator on the nv! Would love to know who's ratching about during he week, they've been seen and called in but running on false plates. As I lamp 99% on foot I think thermal is the way forward. Although nothing quite beats calling a fox in from a fair distance using the edge of the beam to track it in, settling for the shot, gently dropping the beam to light up the fox and squeezing the trigger to hearing that resulting thump of v-max connecting with old Reynard... Magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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