Guest Stacka Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 After chatting to my FEO today about my open ticket he suggested I put either a .223 or 22-259 on my licence as the .222 is more obsolete. I love my .222 can you ever see it dying out completely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunner Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 After chatting to my FEO today about my open ticket he suggested I put either a .223 or 22-259 on my licence as the .222 is more obsolete. I love my .222 can you ever see it dying out completely? You sure he didn't mean 22-250 ? And no , its versatile and very accurate . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 After chatting to my FEO today about my open ticket he suggested I put either a .223 or 22-259 on my licence as the .222 is more obsolete. I love my .222 can you ever see it dying out completely? Not before your next renewal! The 223 has taken over,and the number of new rifles chambered in 222 is now reduced,but it is not going to be 'obsolete' any time soon,and is quite popular in Europe,and still commercially loaded etc etc.If we are talking 25 years hence,who knows-not your FEO,I don't think.If you love it,keep it,and use it,it's a great little cartridge that does 90% of what most 223s do,often a little better. Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz6br Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I loved my 222 had it 7 years and killed a lot of foxes with it, but now I've got a 223 I can't see me going back. But my mate still has a 222 and keeps knocking them down Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Rem Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 It'll still be in use through the lifetimes of everyone reading this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMcC Posted June 30, 2014 Report Share Posted June 30, 2014 I have had a .222 since 1975, changed it a twice and still have the second one I bought, a Remington. The first one I bought was a Heym SR ?? bought in Germany while serving and used for Roe, Badger and Fox. Came back to UK in '82 but it didn't get the same amount of use due to UK law but hung on to it as there was a rumour that the law was/may change to include Roe in England in line with Scotland. This didn't come off but the thought now of getting rid of my little .222 doesn't bare thinking about. I do reload for this and a few other calibres but have found that PPU ammo is as accurate and so cheap that I no longer need to reload for it. So if it does become obsolete, I shan't worry too much as I will have enough brass for reloading and if needed I could always get it re-barrelled if necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Obsolete is a frame of mind. As long as there is .223 brass, there is a ready supply of .222 brass via reforming. I have a model 70 Winchester .222 Varmint and a 14" Thompson Center single shot handgun, scoped. Both shoot better than I can hold. ~Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stacka Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 You sure he didn't mean 22-250 ? And no , its versatile and very accurate . Yes I meant 22-250 bloody IPad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
247sniper Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I doubting it will become obsolete, tbh I don't understand why anyone would bother with a .222 when you could just get the .223 with more authority, ok yeh I do understand that it is something different and that in itself is fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Had the 223 not been developed by the US military,we know what such a cartridge would have been in the civilian market.It's the 222rem mag,and when did you last see one of those? The 223 is a very fine cartridge,rightly popular-though this is not all due to it's original design.I agree with those who just buy a 223...as a cartridge,it has been more developed than the 222 ever was.That n part is because the 222 is just about perfect for it's application-a very accurate,250 y target or small game/vermin rifle.It could no doubt be developed,as in heavy bullet,fast twist and so on,but it then moves out of it's real zone,and will be 100-200 fps behind the comparable 223-which matters not a jot below 250y.I have/have shot a good many of each-somehow the 222 is just a little bit sweeter to shoot-not a lot,but it's there-and it has a sweet history,for the nostalgic-the 223 is errrr...more military. There really is nothing of consequence out to 250 for small fur and feather...the 223 has marginally better ballistics,but on average,not quite the precision.The 223 is far more versatile,though a fast twist barrel is essentially a different rifle,so to get the better long range performance you need a different 223-or the fast twist with a possible reduction-slight-in light bullet accuracy.But 223 wins hands down in versatility.It's no 750 yarder,really,but not a hopeless plinker at long range either. Obsolete? wrong word.The 222 is nothing like so popular,and the 223 deserves its place in the cf popularity stakes.No charisma,but more performance (though see above)-and that's what is being made by major producers.A good 1 in 8 223 will do everything a 222 can do,and more if you need to.A slower twist 223 won't do it quite so rewardingly,but nothing you should be shooting will ever know the difference-nor will most 223 users.The 222 has a finesse and heritage that the 223 does not,but those virtues do not compensate those who think fps is everything.(well,a little fps,even in 224 cf terms). Enjoy your choice(s). :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DW58 Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 I love my .222 Rem, had it since 1988 and killed quite a few Roe with it. My son won an S-class competition at 200 - 300 - 500 yds with it on Sunday, long may it continue.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EMcC Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 Oh yes I forgot about the use of .223 brass. I did for a period of time use reformed .223 brass, not because .222 brass was in short supply, but because it was less traumatic when losing a case when foxing at night in the pouring rain ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 .222 obsolete ? Nah, never. Though it would mean you could keep it off ticket if so, couldn't use it, but you could keep it Who's your flo ? Pm me it though. If it's who I think it is, he should know better. The .222 fills a niche in Europe where .223 is banned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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