Cushty mush Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 I will be setting up a new tikka t3 light rig for foxing within the next week, I've been told be my local gun shop to go with the 1in8 twist as to stick with a 45 to 50 grain bt bullet to keep the trajectory nice and flat out to distance, I would just like to here your thurts on this as most of my foxes will be within 200yrds or would it better to go a heavier bullet and get the 1in12 twist ?as for cost il allso be starting to reload so not really an issue there Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamp Donkey Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 The 1-8" twist will run the heavier bullets, the 1-12" won't do much more than 55, maybe 60gr. If it's purely for foxing then I'd go 1-12" as you'll run the lighter bullets faster than the same load through a 1-8" Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Sorry,I have only 200 zero data offhand for a range of bullet weights,but the same pattern holds for say 100y zero. figures are drop/drift -10 mph wind- in inches for commercial loadings-handloads again will follow the pattern. load 100 200 300 yards HVmax 40g @ 3800 +.9/1.2 0/5 5.5/11.9 VmaX 50g @ 3300 +1.3/1.1 0/4.7 6.8/11.4 HVmax 55g@ 3240 +1.4/1.1 0/4.6 7.0/10.9 Vmax 60g @ 3100 +1.6/1.1 0/4.6 7.7/10.9 Ballistically,I do not think any fox alive-actually dead!- could make much of a case for any one of these over the other.In real practical terms they are almost identical.Whatever pros and cons there are-and there are clear advantages in fast twist/heavy bullet for extended ranges (500+),there isn't here,and any accuracy differences are likely to be very small,and will be more between individual rifles than bullet weights.LIkewise energy levels are close,and way above minimum for fox anyhow. "Flat shooting to 200 yards" is not differentiated in these loadings (or any others-I've kept to Vmax to remove some variables between loadings-but almost all are very close....Using that criterion,you can't really go wrong. But note,the accepted position is that heavier bullets (above say 50/55g in 223 ) need the faster twist (1 in 9,or above about 69g,1 in 8) NOT the other way round.The 1 in 12 will not stabilise the heavier bullets,but the 1 in 8 or 9 will handle the light as well as being essential for the heavies.) Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz6br Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Mines a 1/12 twist shot 40gr up to 53gr nice great for foxing at night very little drop out to 300 yards Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cushty mush Posted April 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Thank you gents some very helpful info there Much appreciated Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaz6br Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Mines a 1/12 twist shot 40gr up to 53gr nice great for foxing at night very little drop out to 300 yards Gaz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrelsniffer Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Both mine are 1/8 one rifle with NV i use 50gn vmax out to 300, and other tikka i use 60gn vmax if i was to buy again i would still go with 1/8 as gives you the choice of light to heavy bullets i've also used the 75 and 80gn for long dist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Chenery Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Hi, I have a savage .223 with a 1 in 9 twist and it will shoot 40g to 60g with enough accuracy for foxes to 250yds. So I would say dont worry to much about it. I think that it is one of the things that you can get all hung up on and it really isn't going to make any difference to what you are wanting to do. I'm sure if it was a 1000yd rig then its something to consider but For foxing probably not. Just my thoughts. Ben. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
204 rem Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 Mines a 1/8 twist 223 ackley and I shoot 60gr vmax for fox and crows and the heavier 75gr amax for target shooting and plinking the 60gr vmax blows the pigeons and crows into small pieces haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork chop Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 if your sticking to 45/50 gr bullets you dont need a 1/8 a 1/12 is plenty of twist,but if it was me i'd go 1/8 and heavy 60/75 gr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
happyhunter Posted April 7, 2014 Report Share Posted April 7, 2014 I run at .223 t3 with nv purely for fox 1/12 twist 50-52grn bullets absolutely mustard on fox, never tried any other bullet weight as they are so accurate and hard hitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cushty mush Posted April 8, 2014 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2014 Cheers everyone took everybody's comments on bored and whent with the 1,8 twist (so that's that) (Picking up tomoz) Now what would you guys recommend for a nice average weight mod? I was looking at the atec, Il be mainly Lamping and doing a fair bit of walking, but sound is a big issue as most of my perms is in dairy farms (buildings, 100 acres etc ,) Cheers pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sako 75 .243 Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 All depends on the money you want to spend??...you carnt fault the T8 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbal Posted April 11, 2014 Report Share Posted April 11, 2014 Perhaps surprisingly,I have never read a proper test of moderators from say 80-100 + yards away.There may not be much difference,but there is very little data.Not too much even subjective at the muzzle either! Most are probably quite similar-I have old Vaimes,T8s and North Stars,and for me the North Stars are the ones that seem best engineered,but they all work about the same.....none are the lightest possible,and if a couple of hundred grams matter,they can be beaten on weight-performance? durability.....? size?not really known! For me the North Star sets the pace. £250 ball park. Gbal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tikkat3tac Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 I have to say that if you want a bombproof moderator with good sound reduction, an ASE utra jet z is a great performer. Not the lightest though. Also have a Roedale Ultra lite moderator which I use more often as its only about 200grams which is nice and light on the front of my 24 inch barrel. Saves the muzzle heavy feeling when walking about. Not as quiet as the ASE though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ergid Posted April 19, 2014 Report Share Posted April 19, 2014 Cheers everyone took everybody's comments on bored and whent with the 1,8 twist (so that's that) (Picking up tomoz) Now what would you guys recommend for a nice average weight mod? I was looking at the atec, Il be mainly Lamping and doing a fair bit of walking, but sound is a big issue as most of my perms is in dairy farms (buildings, 100 acres etc ,) Cheers pete hi I have a A tec on my T3 223 its half the weight of a t8 ,but the t8 was quieter than the A tec before I added a couple of baffles onto the A tec . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22/250 foxer Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 i would go for the 12 twist. and 40 or 50 grain blizkings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 +1 for the ASE jet z Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FOXANDY Posted April 20, 2014 Report Share Posted April 20, 2014 +1 for the ASE jet z i have tikka 1 in 8 55grn privvis hole on hole also have the ase s5 a little heavy but its brilliant enjoy , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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